At what point is it too much?

[alexican]

hehehehe

[cyberina]

Originally Posted by alexican

ooff girl, sounds like terrible class timing! why is it a 4.5 year plan? and do you never do summer sessions? i did 12 hours each regular semester, plus 1 class each summer session, and i was done in 5 years. whats your major?

also, what is it that you want to do in grad school? i'm finishing up my first year on a master's degree through an online school called Capella University. i'm not sure how different online grad courses are from physically attending grad courses, but i can tell you right now full time grad school plus full-time work=absolutely NO FUN! full-time in grad is only 2 classes; i did that my first quarter and in the last week broke the fuck down at work. wound up sobbing in my boss' office for a good half hour, and had to go home early because i couldn't pull myself together. god that was so embarrassing.

anyways, my point is: its great that you're so dedicated to achieving these degrees, but it is NOT great to kill yourself trying to get them. try to lessen the load as much as you will allow, because it only gets harder and more stressful as you move up the Higher Education ladder.

BEST OF LUCK DUDE!!

I have a 135 hour degree that is followed by a 6 month internship. I have 53 hours of coursework left after I complete this semester, which I'm hoping on dividing into 3 semesters of roughly 17 hours each (3 hours every semester goes into playing bass for various ensembles around campus and taking a weekly bass lesson.. both of which are easy as pie for me).

So I'll be taking classes for 4.5 years, then I have the 6 mo internship, then I'll have my diploma and can take my certification exams.

I'll start my internship, it looks like, entering into the early part of 2010. I have been doing summer classes some summers. I haven't for the past two for separate reasons, but this year I'll be able to get into one of the online courses that I tried for and couldn't get into last summer.

Unfortunately, very, very, very few of my classes are available online. I've taken what I could that way, but for the most part it was only available for my most blanket of core classes. I still have two classes left that are available online, which I plan on doing over the next two summers.

For grad school I plan on doing a very crazy titled major:
MS in Counseling and Development and MA in Music (emphasis in Music Therapy)

This particular combo also includes the basic practicing levels of certification in Guided Music and Imagery aka GIM. (GIM one of the most valuable things we actually learned from the LSD experiments of the late 60s). The method is kind of part relaxation exercise, part art therapy through drawing mandalas, part music therapy through listening, part psychotherapy through discussion, and part hypnosis/dream state/altered state of consciousness therapy. GIM requires a masters in counseling in addition to its own study program to practice.

The graduate coursework totals up to 53 hours, 7 hours of which are purely accruing 600 clock hours of music therapy and counseling internship.

My hope and dream is to take a semester down after getting my bachelor's to take a couple of music therapy contracts (the average contract is 15 - 20 hours a week for $25+ / hr), work full time, and still live on college budget to take some money and buy a house.

(NOTE: I'm really hoping on obtaining a federal grant to provide free group music therapy sessions to families with returning military, and I'm also really interested in doing some work in the school districts with special ed and "at risk" kids)

After a year, I want to decide which contracts to terminate to get down to 20 - 30 hours per week (which is a rather livable income at $25+ / hr), and then start my graduate degree coursework taking 2 classes (6 hours) per semester... One music therapy and one counseling class.

Doing it that way, it will take me about 4.5 years to complete the graduate degree, but compared to my current 20 - 30 hours of work and more than full time undergraduate classload schedule on a peanuts budget, graduate school sounds a lot more livable than undergrad.

Graduate school can be taken much slower. Once I have my undergrad/license, I'll be able to start making a livable income and practicing. The graduate school is only personal icing on the cake, really.

Around 2014 or slightly later, I'll have had at least 4 years of experience practicing music therapy, as well as a license to practice psychotherapy and certification to practice some of the basic levels of GIM.

[alexican]

Originally Posted by cyberina

I have a 135 hour degree that is followed by a 6 month internship. I have 53 hours of coursework left after I complete this semester, which I'm hoping on dividing into 3 semesters of roughly 17 hours each (3 hours every semester goes into playing bass for various ensembles around campus and taking a weekly bass lesson.. both of which are easy as pie for me).

So I'll be taking classes for 4.5 years, then I have the 6 mo internship, then I'll have my diploma and can take my certification exams.

I'll start my internship, it looks like, entering into the early part of 2010. I have been doing summer classes some summers. I haven't for the past two for separate reasons, but this year I'll be able to get into one of the online courses that I tried for and couldn't get into last summer.

Unfortunately, very, very, very few of my classes are available online. I've taken what I could that way, but for the most part it was only available for my most blanket of core classes. I still have two classes left that are available online, which I plan on doing over the next two summers.

For grad school I plan on doing a very crazy titled major:
MS in Counseling and Development and MA in Music (emphasis in Music Therapy)

This particular combo also includes the basic practicing levels of certification in Guided Music and Imagery aka GIM. (GIM one of the most valuable things we actually learned from the LSD experiments of the late 60s). The method is kind of part relaxation exercise, part art therapy through drawing mandalas, part music therapy through listening, part psychotherapy through discussion, and part hypnosis/dream state/altered state of consciousness therapy. GIM requires a masters in counseling in addition to its own study program to practice.

The graduate coursework totals up to 53 hours, 7 hours of which are purely accruing 600 clock hours of music therapy and counseling internship.

My hope and dream is to take a semester down after getting my bachelor's to take a couple of music therapy contracts (the average contract is 15 - 20 hours a week for $25+ / hr), work full time, and still live on college budget to take some money and buy a house.

(NOTE: I'm really hoping on obtaining a federal grant to provide free group music therapy sessions to families with returning military, and I'm also really interested in doing some work in the school districts with special ed and "at risk" kids)

After a year, I want to decide which contracts to terminate to get down to 20 - 30 hours per week (which is a rather livable income at $25+ / hr), and then start my graduate degree coursework taking 2 classes (6 hours) per semester... One music therapy and one counseling class.

Doing it that way, it will take me about 4.5 years to complete the graduate degree, but compared to my current 20 - 30 hours of work and more than full time undergraduate classload schedule on a peanuts budget, graduate school sounds a lot more livable than undergrad.

Graduate school can be taken much slower. Once I have my undergrad/license, I'll be able to start making a livable income and practicing. The graduate school is only personal icing on the cake, really.

Around 2014 or slightly later, I'll have had at least 4 years of experience practicing music therapy, as well as a license to practice psychotherapy and certification to practice some of the basic levels of GIM.

thats interesting, i'm doing a masters in counseling as well but i have to do a 1 year internship plus 2 years post grad work before i can even apply to take the licensing exam i've got 7 years to go before i'll be a licensed counselor.

[cyberina]

Originally Posted by alexican

thats interesting, i'm doing a masters in counseling as well but i have to do a 1 year internship plus 2 years post grad work before i can even apply to take the licensing exam i've got 7 years to go before i'll be a licensed counselor.

Yeah, there is a lot of postgraduate work for the actual LPC examination here, too. Not quite 2 years of it.. More like a year and a half... So I guess to say more accurately, I'll be certified in almost everything except my license for professional counselling by 2014 or slightly later, and should have all of my licenses completed by around 2016.

WHEW!

BUT.... I'm not doing that so much to have the LPC itself... In the end I'll have it, but I'm really in it to get into GIM and music therapy and biofeedback.. Of those 2, the GIM has the more stringent requirements, BUT.... you are allowed to practice any method you've obtained official training for, and they let you start taking the training in your early graduate work... Its just that don't get the pretty label of certification until you have your LPC and have completed all of the training classes within one level.

GIM training might actually extend past graduate school... Once I finish grad school and the post graduate work, I'll only be through the first level of GIM certification. I'll see whether or not I want to pursue any further levels... After the first level, its just a matter of going to a few annual conferences for further training.

[hepkatmama]

Originally Posted by cyberina

This particular combo also includes the basic practicing levels of certification in Guided Music and Imagery aka GIM. (GIM one of the most valuable things we actually learned from the LSD experiments of the late 60s). The method is kind of part relaxation exercise, part art therapy through drawing mandalas, part music therapy through listening, part psychotherapy through discussion, and part hypnosis/dream state/altered state of consciousness therapy. GIM requires a masters in counseling in addition to its own study program to practice.

i almost sent you this link yesterday for a 2 day workshop in dallas that i saw on one of my subscription feeds:

http://www.holographicsound.com/holo...-workshop.html

its a little new age, but it sounded like it might interest you.

it seems likes he's mixing too many different methods together. & i'm not too fond of the bible-esque spin he puts on it to soften the new age feel. st.germain & angelic wtf ever. i just want to know what "Holographic sound healings on original thought forms and on all levels of being & Holographic energy field activation for healing, protection and transformation" means.

really i'm more interested in binaural therapy like studied by Cooper, but I won't go too deeply into that here because that shouldn't be played with in the wrong hands... just ask deep purple.

[cyberina]

Originally Posted by hepkatmama

i almost sent you this link yesterday for a 2 day workshop in dallas that i saw on one of my subscription feeds:

http://www.holographicsound.com/holo...-workshop.html

its a little new age, but it sounded like it might interest you.

it seems likes he's mixing too many different methods together. & i'm not too fond of the bible-esque spin he puts on it to soften the new age feel. st.germain & angelic wtf ever. i just want to know what "Holographic sound healings on original thought forms and on all levels of being & Holographic energy field activation for healing, protection and transformation" means.

really i'm more interested in binaural therapy like studied by Cooper, but I won't go too deeply into that here because that shouldn't be played with in the wrong hands... just ask deep purple.

Well... Yes, it comes across as a little new age, but I'm firmly convinced that all of that singing bowl, vocal toning, and vibrational healing is rooted in the same basics as biofeedback and "brain music"..

I've seen promising studies on both... mostly with the new agey methods centering around relaxation techniques (pain management, anxiety, etc). The biofeedback/brain music approaches have been successfully studied on everything from strokes to ADHD.. I have never seen a study on the "new agey" methods as they would be approached from a biofeedback perspective, but I betcha there's some relation going on there.

Someday, I hope to do such a study... A lot of that depends on access to equipment, and such. Until then, I try to read what I can.

Considering the man leading the lecture has a PhD in psychology and is certified in Hypnotherapy, Grief Recovery and Addictions Recovery, it looks rather legit.

I find it interesting that he also has a Masters in religion. Worldwide, A lot of people link spiritual experiences with music.. GiM practitioners are required to be the subject in a series of GiM sessions for their certifications, and among other things, a lot of them (but not all) find themselves drawn to take a closer look at their spirituality in their personal lives throughout the course of their training.

I have to wonder if its because of increased activity in a particular part of the brain. There are regions of the brain that when stimulated create a feeling that people compare to spiritual experiences, and there are certain kinds of (non-convusive) seizures effecting those same regions that people also say feel like a religious experience.

That, I probably won't be studying, but I gotta wonder..

His course looks interesting, but it also looks like the Dallas lecture is not only out of my budget, but completely over the top of Flipside weekend.

Flipside is my annual vacation...... Sorry, not gunna study over the top of it.

Maybe another year, or some trip in Austin I'll check out one of his sessions.

Hi, I had a revelation today about grad school. Screw earning an MFA for anything studio art-related; I am going to attempt to earn an MBA in Fashion Merchandising.

[juandingo]

there ya go tammy. you could end up being a buyer and thats pretty fufilling for some friends of mine and they make bank.

That's what I needed to hear, some success stories from hands-on industry knowledge. Sounds great! It's a good feeling to have a plan.

[juandingo]

oh definitely. if i would do it all over again that would be something to consider. they go to all the shows like magic and asr and get the hookups. very nice gig.