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[hepkatmama]

"9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the Vietnam Era (5 August 1965-7 May 1975)"

so 9M over 10 years roughly. how many have served in Iraq? lets be fair & count both Iraq conflicts. what are those numbers for comparison?

i bet it would be impossible to find stats on the number of CONTRACTORS being used then & now. we obviously use way more non-military ppl on bases now.

its so complicated & ugly.

Originally Posted by Nyteshade

chaos.

When they make it a point to hide among civilians, it's unavoidable that some are going to be killed. It sucks but there's nothing you can feasibly do to avoid it.

sure there is. kill the politicians. send the cia & give them a "heart attack." why is a politician so much more precious than a civilian? is it cause they make the rules?

there hasn't been a war fought by STRICTLY uniformed formations since the first american guerilla conflict aka the american revolution. damn rebels wouldn't stand in line like they were supposed to.

in WWI they made a rule that opposing soldiers were not allowed to be civil with each other under penalty of hanging after one christmas where germans & brits let loose & traded food & played a few games of soccer on the holiday at the front.

so now the nature of warfare seems to be ok with murdering civilians. Its like we have regressed to the savagery of warlords. Modern warfare seeks to disconnect the human face of the enemy. its not the soldier's fault that the kid strapped with a bomb is mad that his dad died in crossfire. its just how things are.

if you have ANY doubt that the american govt. hasn't learned the sanctity of life even after the shame of native american genocide, just remember the number of Blackwater mercenaries, i mean employees that are ex-child soldiers from africa.

those guys don't get PTSD cause life means nothing to them ever since they were forced to kill those in their village when they were just kids. they don't ask questions except when are they getting paid. & before u all think i've lost my mind, there are records of Blackwater (who are technically paid contractors) being used in Cali in the raids on the hemp farms.

so foreign mercenaries have been used to control AMERICAN civilians on US soil.

we need to think long & hard about civilian casualties because things are getting out of hand & its getting too close to home.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by hepkatmama

there hasn't been a war fought by STRICTLY uniformed formations since the first american guerilla conflict aka the american revolution. damn rebels wouldn't stand in line like they were supposed to.

The Continental Army was in large part ragtag bunch of non-soldiers. The militias were just that.. militias.

Originally Posted by hepkatmama

in WWI they made a rule that opposing soldiers were not allowed to be civil with each other under penalty of hanging after one christmas where germans & brits let loose & traded food & played a few games of soccer on the holiday at the front.

what? who made what rule and where is it? The Xmas event, yeah, stuff of legend.

Originally Posted by hepkatmama

so now the nature of warfare seems to be ok with murdering civilians & seeks to disconnect the human face of the enemy.

You trying to be daft Suza? The purpose of smart bombs is to specifically avoid civillian deaths. We go out of our way to avoid it... our enemy goes out its way to cause it.

Originally Posted by hepkatmama

its not the soldier's fault that the kid strapped with a bomb is mad that his dad died in crossfire. its just how things are.

Or that he was brainwashed. Or that his dad was told to plant IEDs or AQI would kill his family.

Originally Posted by hepkatmama

if you have ANY doubt that the american govt. hasn't learned the sanctity of life even after the shame of native american genocide, just remember the number of Blackwater mercenaries, i mean employees that are ex-child soldiers from africa.

You'll have to post some actual facts because I goofed on this assertion earlier... that they were fed cocain/gunpowder and wore skirts...

Originally Posted by hepkatmama

those guys don't get PTSD cause life means nothing to them ever since they were forced to kill those in their village when they were just kids. they don't ask questions except when are they getting paid. & before u all think i've lost my mind, there are records of Blackwater (who are technically paid contractors) being used in Cali in the raids on the hemp farms.

Pretty big leap to think you know what's going on in their heads isn't it?

Originally Posted by hepkatmama

so foreign mercenaries have been used to control AMERICAN civilians on US soil.

where and when was this?

Originally Posted by hepkatmama

we need to think long & hard about civilian casualties because things are getting out of hand & its getting too close to home.

You're off base. We do think long and hard about it. The enemy doesn't.

[hepkatmama]

Originally Posted by PETA

You'll have to post some actual facts because I goofed on this assertion earlier... that they were fed cocain/gunpowder and wore skirts...

where and when was this?

You're off base. We do think long and hard about it. The enemy doesn't.

correct. the continental army was rag tag. just like guerrilla armies everywhere. this is why they don't follow the rules made by military strategists. this is why we couldn't win in vietnam.

thank god for jefferson's foresight in helping to create west point. he fought having a standing army but conceded on the premise that we create an military academy to give officers a sense of ethics.

i have a picture of wwi germans & brits together in uniform. i will have to get the date of the rule for you from home. i thought it was crazy too till i looked it up and found tons of documentation. it was in my xmas blog a few years back lol

smart bombs are marketed as a way to avoid civilian casualties, but i have two words for you... friendly fire. when we learn to stop blasting our own ppl accidentally i will have a lot more faith in our ability to not hurt civilians. & the computers that make the bomb smart are still subject to user error.

you are right, we can't know what goes on in ppl's head. i only made my original comments to the thread starter because i have been around enough PTSD to see him exhibiting the signs. i am no doctor so i can't say anything about severity. i just know it would not hurt for him to consider reading a book or two in the interest of his future.

"enemy goes out of the way to cause it" is just as assumptive & generalizing as my comments. how do you know that is going on in every one of their heads? but u are correct on the reasons why the kids grow up to hate us. there are million terrible incidents that kids witness & retaliate against. but surely you have heard about "enemy combatants" using american guns leftover from years past.

u goofed on an assumption? share. what did you learn about the child soldiers? cocaine & skirts? i haven't heard that. i just heard about the hazing. um, thats a terrible word to describe being asked to kill your parents & neighbors with the warlords gun. but i'll go find documentation for that too i guess.

i will have to look up the blackwater in cali story. it was either bbc or washington post. during the last admininstration several years ago.

[tricky]

Can we get this thread back to faranga unable to use "tack" and "tact" correctly?

Oh yea, I'm a horrible person too.

[hepkatmama]

Originally Posted by tricky

Can we get this thread back to faranga unable to use "tack" and "tact" correctly?

Oh yea, I'm a horrible person too.

did your really wish death on someone? that isn't very nice.

its a pretty lousy way to try to win an argument too.

double fail

[tricky]

Originally Posted by hepkatmama

did your really wish death on someone? that isn't very nice.

its a pretty lousy way to try to win an argument too.

double fail

please see feezy's comment. i already told the guy i really don't wish death on him. it's better that he's alive so he can be paranoid about the anti-christ muslim obama destroying the nation etc etc etc

[FarangBa]

See below, I can even use it in a sentence:

1) You ain't got no tact!
2) Too bad we can't tack your soldier demeaning comments in the (physical) town square for all to see.

I'm in no way paranoid about President Obama.

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I know he is not a practicing muslim. If he was, he would've already had a fatwa announced against him for denying his religion.

I certainly don't think the President is "stupid". I didn't say he was destroying the nation per se. Pres. Obama is doing "exactly" what he said he was going to do during the election. I certainly feel that once the "sheeple" figure out exactly what's involved in a "Progressive" government, the people will revolt and vote him out of office. That's why our government is setup the way it is, so that (hopefully) no SINGLE President or Party can destroy the country too bad.

[FarangBa]

Originally Posted by tricky

please see feezy's comment. i already told the guy i really don't wish death on him. it's better that he's alive so he can be paranoid about the anti-christ muslim obama destroying the nation etc etc etc

What is that some sort of David Letterman Apology?

[FarangBa]

Originally Posted by hepkatmama

smart bombs are marketed as a way to avoid civilian casualties, but i have two words for you... friendly fire. when we learn to stop blasting our own ppl accidentally i will have a lot more faith in our ability to not hurt civilians. & the computers that make the bomb smart are still subject to user error.

Sort of true, but I think he was using the "accepted" comparison of: 1)"Smart Bombs" created and utilized for the specific purpose of avoiding as many civilian casualties as humanly possible

VS

2) The firebombing of Dresden

The problem that I see with this type of analogy is that those with your view seem to believe that absolutely zero unintended casualties is acceptable -and that's just not possible. Of course I wish it was. The only way it is possible is to ONLY attack places where there are zero civilians... and that place doesn't really exist. Every military base in the world has civilians living/working in or near it.

[tricky]

Originally Posted by FarangBa

What is that some sort of David Letterman Apology?

just reiterating what's already been stated.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by hepkatmama

correct. the continental army was rag tag. just like guerrilla armies everywhere. this is why they don't follow the rules made by military strategists. this is why we couldn't win in vietnam.

The continental army followed lots of rules of military strategists and even created many new ones.

We won every battle we ever fought in Viet Nam. What lost the war wasn't the enemy's guerilla tactics. We had won the war and then abruptly pulled out our troops which permitted the communists to regroup and sweep through the country. Had we remained they would not have been able to do so. What that means is that winning and losing in Viet Nam had nothing to do with tactics it had everything to do with a political decision to give up.

Originally Posted by hepkatmama

thank god for jefferson's foresight in helping to create west point. he fought having a standing army but conceded on the premise that we create an military academy to give officers a sense of ethics.

West Point, you'd have me bvelieve, was established to teach officers ethics? While its true that the honor code is incredibly important, teaching war fighting is a primary goal of West Point.

Originally Posted by hepkatmama

smart bombs are marketed as a way to avoid civilian casualties, but i have two words for you... friendly fire. when we learn to stop blasting our own ppl accidentally i will have a lot more faith in our ability to not hurt civilians. & the computers that make the bomb smart are still subject to user error.

Friendly fire kills people in every war. Smart bombs are really good at hitting exactly what their aimed at. The trick, obviously, is picking targets well. But gone are the days of carpet bombing a la Dresden. (edit - didn't see the comments already made - the bombing serves a poignant example) The fact is Suza, in war, people die... lots of them. Smart bombs improve our ability to avoid unintended killing.

Originally Posted by hepkatmama

you are right, we can't know what goes on in ppl's head. i only made my original comments to the thread starter because i have been around enough PTSD to see him exhibiting the signs. i am no doctor so i can't say anything about severity. i just know it would not hurt for him to consider reading a book or two in the interest of his future.

could be but I think you were awfully presumptuous to tell him what was going on inm his head

Originally Posted by hepkatmama

"enemy goes out of the way to cause it" is just as assumptive & generalizing as my comments.

No it isn't Suza. IEDs placed in markets, mosques and other clearly civilian areas are attempts to maximize the deaths of civillians.

Originally Posted by hepkatmama

how do you know that is going on in every one of their heads?

I don't... but based on where they place the bombs....

Originally Posted by hepkatmama

but surely you have heard about "enemy combatants" using american guns leftover from years past.

I don't understand why you're raising this point

Originally Posted by hepkatmama

u goofed on an assumption?

not as far as I can tell

Originally Posted by hepkatmama

what did you learn about the child soldiers? cocaine & skirts? i haven't heard that.

Charles Taylor used children as soldiers.. he fed them "brown-brown" a cocaine and gun powder mix. Many wore female clothing as a kind of magical protection. http://www.slate.com/id/2086490/

Originally Posted by tricky

Oh yea, I'm a horrible person too.

another point we agree on

[tricky]

Originally Posted by PETA

another point we agree on

You gonna jump on the Farangaba bandwagon too?

[PETA]

Originally Posted by tricky

You gonna jump on the Farangaba bandwagon too?

I've though you were a piece of shit longer than he's been posting on the boards and rattling your cage..

Your own dumbass comments are the source of people's contempt for you... it ain't a bandwagon just a pretty universally accepted notion.

[tricky]

Originally Posted by PETA

I've though you were a piece of shit longer than he's been posting on the boards and rattling your cage..

Your own dumbass comments are the source of people's contempt for you... it ain't a bandwagon just a pretty universally accepted notion.

aww. and i think you're an overpaid paper pusher. i feel sorry for your kids and really hope they don't turn out like you.

they're dumbass comments because you disagree with me 110% of the time.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by tricky

aww. and i think you're an overpaid paper pusher. i feel sorry for your kids and really hope they don't turn out like you.

they're dumbass comments because you disagree with me 110% of the time.

No tricky they are dumbass because you tell soldiers you hope they catch a bullet. They are dumbass because you say things like the comment right above. (thgough that wasn't nearly as vulgar as many) The hate and vemon that filters out of you is really ugly and very sad.

You are unable to disagree with some one without letting a stream of insults fly. You do it and then I sink to your level and I feel dirty for having done so.

I didn't respond to you for months because I didn't want to do that. Now I did it again and I'm sorry I did. Now kindly fuck the hell off because I'm going back to my policy of not responding to you.