Oh shit, the shooter that they killed was of middle eastern descent

[PETA]

Originally Posted by DJPePe

I agree, but that doesn't mean we should downplay the threats from other extremists.

we should when they do far less damage

Originally Posted by DJPePe

I know, I never stated you did. I can't even recall where you did. I don't have a problem condemning the evil as well as those who brainwash young folks to do so. But given your posts in the past about Muslims trying to take over Europe even though such scenarios will not occur, it's hard to think otherwise.

I don't think they're trying to take over europe. I was simply noting demographic trends. I don't think there's any plot just cultural realities that some fear giving voice to because they think they'll be branded racist. Fact is, people of faith tend to have more children - regardless of faith. And europeans have abandoned theirs, the immigrant populations have not.

[DJPePe]

Originally Posted by PETA

we should when they do far less damage

I don't get it. Baruch Goldstein's actions count as far less damaging?

I don't think they're trying to take over europe. I was simply noting demographic trends. I don't think there's any plot just cultural realities that some fear giving voice to because they think they'll be branded racist. Fact is, people of faith tend to have more children - regardless of faith. And europeans have abandoned theirs, the immigrant populations have not.

But the immigrant populations have actually shown a decline as opposed in the past though.

Claiming that certain groups are "breeding like rats" is indeed bigoted, especially when evidence states otherwise.

They immediately shut up though when they are informed that a religious country like Iran has a birth rate comparable to Western Europe.

[PeterS]

Originally Posted by DJPePe

What was he so scared about? Plenty of Muslims have seen combat in Afghanistan and Iraq. I mean shit, Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan was one who fought and died in Iraq 2 years ago. I'll admit that if Colin Powell had not mention his name last year when he announced his endorsement of Barack Obama, I would not have even known about it.

Heck of a way to avoid or be apprehensive of seeing combat: Train your weapon on US servicemen and open fire all within one of the largest US military installations in the world. lol

That's like a 15 year old girl jumping into the back seat of some random strangers car and hoping she doesn't get kidnapped.

[BradH]

Originally Posted by PeterS

Heck of a way to avoid or be apprehensive of seeing combat: Train your weapon on US servicemen and open fire all within one of the largest US military installations in the world. lol

That's like a 15 year old girl jumping into the back seat of some random strangers car and hoping she doesn't get kidnapped.

Now I'm suddenly interested....

[FarangBa]

Originally Posted by DJPePe

At the risk of derailing the topic, I don't know if I can agree to that statement. I don't recall Americans universally condemning what happened at My Lai, and even threatened men such as Hugh Thompson, who tried to intervene in the process.

Originally Posted by tragicallyunhip

This is an interesting article. It's a little different than what I was told by my army buddy, that the guy was a recent convert. Reading between the lines, it seems like this guy was just scared shitless of seeing actual combat and had been trying for a number of years to avoid it by playing the discrimination card.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33704314...ew_york_times/

First of all, the guy 'may' have been scared to death, but Army Psychiatrists DO NOT SEE COMBAT. So, that's a pretty damn lame excuse.

Either way... Give me a friggin break. Where are all of you guys getting this bogus 'recent convert to islam' bs? Is this what MSLSD is reporting?

That's crazy, Fox and ABC already interviewed the shooter's cousin in Virginia, One of his recent commanders, and several soldiers who have served with him over the past 6 yrs (both at Walter Reed and Fort Hood)

Here are the facts that (apparently) CNN and MSLSD are incapable of 'uncovering' or unwilling to report. My gosh, no wonder MSNBC is dead last in the ratings... They SUCK! I guess they have forgotten HOW to investigate a story before reporting B.S.

-He was born in the USA
-The guy has always been muslim
-His parents are of Palestinian Descent - not Jordainian, Syrian or whatever you guys heard.
-He went to school at Virginia Tech
-He went to the Army Medical School in Bethesda, MD
-he's been in the Army since way before 9/11, There is no evidence that he is anything but a lone crazy person at this point.
-He's been reprimanded and counseled over the past couple of years for 'inappropriate conduct' with some of his patients.
-He's never been deployed to the Middle East
-He's been arguing with other soldiers against U.S. foreign policy in the middle east
-He did not want to deploy to the M.E.
-The FBI was aware of someone with the same name comparing Suicide Bombers with U.S. soldiers jumping on a grenade (to save other soldiers) in a blog 6 months ago.
-He was yelling Allah u Ahkbar before he began shooting
-He is still alive after being shot 4 times and has been moved to Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio.

[PeterS]

People getting information from leading news sources is not a blunder on their part.

Dude, calm down.

This whole thing happened slightly over 24 hours ago. It's obviously going to take some time to extract and discern the facts from the information that is currently out there.

You do understand how you tend to come off on here to other people?

Again calm down.

"OMG THIS IS BULLSHIT HE WASNT GOING TO SEE COMBAT"

Again, various news sources quoting Army officials state he was slated to go to Afghanistan.

Whether that means being part of a unit in a forward base or seeing combat, who knows?

Hell you ship me anywhere close to a hot zone and I'm going to be thinking I'm at least going to see something remotely indicative of combat happening. Whether it be a psychological issue exhibited by someone or even physically wounded individuals.

[FarangBa]

Originally Posted by PeterS

People getting information from leading news sources is not a blunder on their part.

Dude, calm down.

This whole thing happened slightly over 24 hours ago. It's obviously going to take some time to extract and discern the facts from the information that is currently out there.

You do understand how you tend to come off on here to other people?

Again calm down.

"OMG THIS IS BULLSHIT HE WASNT GOING TO SEE COMBAT"

Again, various news sources quoting Army officials state he was slated to go to Afghanistan.

Whether that means being part of a unit in a forward base or seeing combat, who knows?

Hell you ship me anywhere close to a hot zone and I'm going to be thinking I'm at least going to see something remotely indicative of combat happening. Whether it be a psychological issue exhibited by someone or even physically wounded individuals.

Apparently, I always 'come off' to you in some sort of way.... however, It's not my concern how you prefer to take me or my words. That's for you to deal with on your own.

That said, since I have 22 months in said 'hot zone' I think I would know much better than you who has the possibility of seeing combat and who doesn't.

Originally Posted by PeterS

Whether that means being part of a unit in a forward base or seeing combat, who knows?

If I had to guesstimate a % rating of the possibility of a Psychiatrist serving in Afghanistan actually seeing combat, I would have to give it a 3% chance. The possibility of the same Psychiatrist being killed in a car accident back here in the states would be a 5% chance. So, I stand by my statement... and I'm 100% positive that MAJ Hasan knew the exact same thing. He didn't want to go to Afghanistan because of his religious beliefs which were the cause of his disagreement with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Also, the reason I was getting frustrated about the 'reports' was because they were made late this afternoon after all of the initial, crazy hearsay stories had already been cleared up by the media.

Originally Posted by PeterS

Dude, calm down.

No need to, my blood pressure is not up. I tend to speak (and type) in a frank and matter of fact way, with facts that back up my assertions. If that sounds like I'm all riled up to you.... that is your issue not mine. I don't make decisions about subjects until I have verified and found multiple sources for the same info. (vs. jibber jabbering a bunch of nonsense when I only half heard something on a TV in the background, or hearsay from someone who said they heard something)

Originally Posted by PeterS

People getting information from leading news sources is not a blunder on their part.

I was making a comment about MSLSD or the Communist News Network's inability to actually do some investigative reporting, not about the people who supposedly got their information from these "sources".

Originally Posted by PeterS

Hell you ship me anywhere close to a hot zone and I'm going to be thinking I'm at least going to see something remotely indicative of combat happening. Whether it be a psychological issue exhibited by someone or even physically wounded individuals.

I can only assume that's because you haven't been shipped to a 'hot zone' so you don't know what you are talking about. Everyone gets the same initial fear during your first few days, but it doesn't take long to see that 95% of everyone deployed (especially in an absolutely non-combat role) will never come anywhere near anything dangerous.

There were over 900 mortar attacks against the base where I was stationed during the time I was there (hence the name 'Mortar-Itaville').

Either way, it doesn't matter. The evidence already exists, Major Hasan did not want to be deployed because he felt that it violated his religious beliefs and he disagreed with U.S. policy in 'any' type of war against Muslims.

I'm not gonna post all the sources because it's pointless. This information is on 20,000 sites by now. Just google it, bing it, or lexus-nexus it.. it's all right there.

[FarangBa]

Originally Posted by DJPePe

Or if you're a mother, driving your car with two toddlers into a lake, then trying to claim that your car was carjacked by a black man in order to win sympathy.

You remember that incident?

Wow, dude... I was with you for a moment about Srebrenica, but now your going a little overboard for my taste. You're moral relativism is getting annoying. You can't relate every murder on the planet as exactly the same as terrorists. It's an idiotic thing to do.

In addition to this, you seem to be quite 'un' educated about terrorism worldwide.

Over the last 8yrs there have been over 14,000 deadly terrorist acts in the name of Islam. All other religions combined account for less than 12 in the same time period.

On Thursday afternoon, a radicalized Muslim US Army officer shouting "Allahu Akbar!" committed the worst act of terror on American soil since 9/11. And no one wants to call it an act of terror or associate it with Islam.
What cowards we are. Political correctness killed those patriotic Americans at Ft. Hood as surely as the Islamist gunman did. And the media treat it like a case of non-denominational shoplifting.
This was a terrorist act. When an extremist plans and executes a murderous plot against our unarmed soldiers to protest our efforts to counter Islamist fanatics, it’s an act of terror. Period.



When the terrorist posts anti-American hate-speech on the Web; apparently praises suicide bombers and uses his own name; loudly criticizes US policies; argues (as a psychiatrist, no less) with his military patients over the worth of their sacrifices; refuses, in the name of Islam, to be photographed with female colleagues; lists his nationality as "Palestinian" in a Muslim spouse-matching program, and parades around central Texas in a fundamentalist playsuit — well, it only seems fair to call this terrorist an "Islamist terrorist."

SOURCE

[djredeye]

im glad i ducked out of this thread when i did! jeez!

[PeterS]

Originally Posted by FarangBa

Apparently, I always 'come off' to you in some sort of way.... however, It's not my concern how you prefer to take me or my words. That's for you to deal with on your own.

Yeah, and that's the thing about loud mouth louts. They don't give two shits about how their words nor their tone are perceived.

Originally Posted by FarangBa

That said, since I have 22 months in said 'hot zone' I think I would know much better than you who has the possibility of seeing combat and who doesn't.

Of coarse and if anything you're next comment pretty much proves my initial point.

Originally Posted by FarangBa

If I had to guesstimate a % rating of the possibility of a Psychiatrist serving in Afghanistan actually seeing combat, I would have to give it a 3% chance. The possibility of the same Psychiatrist being killed in a car accident back here in the states would be a 5% chance. So, I stand by my statement... and I'm 100% positive that MAJ Hasan knew the exact same thing. He didn't want to go to Afghanistan because of his religious beliefs which were the cause of his disagreement with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan..

PERFECT!

Then you admit there is not a 100% certainty that he would ABSOLUTELY NOT have seen combat.

Cool. I TOTALLY agree.

Originally Posted by FarangBa

Also, the reason I was getting frustrated about the 'reports' was because they were made late this afternoon after all of the initial, crazy hearsay stories had already been cleared up by the media.

I along with a slew of others have known about the "news" and their penchant for sensationalizing stories since most of us have first been able to discern those traits. So I took it all in stride as par for the coarse in the way they're known for muddling the "facts". I stopped getting pissed or fustrated a long ass time ago. I've learned to take in and filter it as it comes in.

Originally Posted by FarangBa

No need to, my blood pressure is not up. I tend to speak (and type) in a frank and matter of fact way, with facts that back up my assertions. If that sounds like I'm all riled up to you.... that is your issue not mine. I don't make decisions about subjects until I have verified and found multiple sources for the same info. (vs. jibber jabbering a bunch of nonsense when I only half heard something on a TV in the background, or hearsay from someone who said they heard something)

Awesome, then with that we don’t need to assume but KNOW you have his entire interrogation and debriefing on hand. I mean, you’re going on facts. You know stuff we don’t know. You being in the army automatically puts you in the pipeline to receive his psych EVAL and have first hand access to his reports.

Can you post those EVALs and/or documents now in PDF format for us to see? Or are we lacking your military clearance?

Originally Posted by FarangBa

I was making a comment about MSLSD or the Communist News Network's inability to actually do some investigative reporting, not about the people who supposedly got their information from these "sources".

CNN is communist? Damn, I didn’t know that. I’m glad you pointed it out. Communism is dogshit and I will have no part of it. I mean, look at China. Sure they’re system and overall stance in the world as an economic power is about to overtake us but DAMN I had no idea they had infiltrated CNN?

Originally Posted by FarangBa

I can only assume that's because you haven't been shipped to a 'hot zone' so you don't know what you are talking about. Everyone gets the same initial fear during your first few days, but it doesn't take long to see that 95% of everyone deployed (especially in an absolutely non-combat role) will never come anywhere near anything dangerous.

Yeah, I’ve never been to a “hot zone”.
I was merely going on by first hand accounts from 2 friends and another family member (who've been deployed to Iraq/Afghanistan) who have informed me that despite not being in a “hot zone” they still saw some “fucked up shit” and even made several comments to the fact that – “things are fucked up over here”.

Stupid me. Next time I’ll make sure to be shipped to a “hot zone”


Lol

Originally Posted by FarangBa

There were over 900 mortar attacks against the base where I was stationed during the time I was there (hence the name 'Mortar-Itaville').

Either way, it doesn't matter. The evidence already exists, Major Hasan did not want to be deployed because he felt that it violated his religious beliefs and he disagreed with U.S. policy in 'any' type of war against Muslims.

I'm not gonna post all the sources because it's pointless. This information is on 20,000 sites by now. Just google it, bing it, or lexus-nexus it.. it's all right there.

I don’t think it full on violated his religious beliefs but more so played a factor in the core of his moral and social beliefs in general. He’s a fucken traitor.

And that’s all I was saying.

lol at “bring it”

Nothing was “broughten” because you reiterated my initial point.

We won’t know shit till more gets “waterboarded” out of him or whatever.

And please don’t take my comments or refutal of some of your statements as a knock on your moral/social/ or otherwise informed(via military service) beliefs.

Aka don’t shoot me

[DJPePe]

Originally Posted by FarangBa

Wow, dude... I was with you for a moment about Srebrenica, but now your going a little overboard for my taste. You're moral relativism is getting annoying. You can't relate every murder on the planet as exactly the same as terrorists. It's an idiotic thing to do.

In addition to this, you seem to be quite 'un' educated about terrorism worldwide.

Over the last 8yrs there have been over 14,000 deadly terrorist acts in the name of Islam. All other religions combined account for less than 12 in the same time period.

SOURCE

I was only simply bringing up similar incidents because there is a tendency for many to assume only Muslims engage in this type of behavior. I bring up other disgusting acts committed by non-Muslims to prove that such behaviour is NOT limited to Muslims. That doesn't mean I'm downplaying the crimes, but rather pointing out that it is extremely unfair to single out Muslims for crimes when others would not suffer the same scrutinization.

And no offense bro, but you're not doing much of a favor if you're cite a source that is run by a well-known racist, nor do you gain extra points by linking to the widely discredited NY Sun.

That link does a great job refuting the source you've posted on there. Hopefully you will better judgment next time when arguing your case. It's no different from someone citing stuff such as JewWatch to demonize Jews.

[DJPePe]

And here's a round up of the prominent GOP bloggers and their hyperventilating posts here.

No wonder why the GOP continues to regress when it fails to condemn the rantings of hate filled cunts within their midst. Yet they have the nerve to complain about Muslims allegedly not condemning terrorism (even though Muslims have been)?

[DJPePe]

And some food for thought FarangBa

[PETA]

Originally Posted by DJPePe

And here's a round up of the prominent GOP bloggers and their hyperventilating posts here.

No wonder why the GOP continues to regress when it fails to condemn the rantings of hate filled cunts within their midst.

But we do when they kill people. Therein lieth the difference I've been noting.

In this case it needs to be recognized that many prominent Muslim organizations came out quickly (including the Major's own family) to condemn the murders committed by this asshole. We must not lose sight of that fact and we must amplify it to help promote sanity. We must recall that he was one evil man and we must recognize the bravery and honorable service to our country by his co-religionsists.

However, what we cannot ignore the motive that lead this asshole to kill so many of our soldiers. Parsng that is the trick isn't it? Trying to figure out which asshole might pull this crap? Not offering clue one as to how just noting that we need to figure it out and we need to recognize this killer as one man.

I cannot fathom the scope of tragedy... for our soldiers to survice combat and be killed by a pyscho officer of their own on their own base. May he survive, be a parapalegic in great pain for years after his trial and conviction while waiting to be executed.

[FarangBa]

Originally Posted by PeterS

Aka don’t shoot me

You don't think that's kind of a fucked up comment in light of the thread we are posting in?

Jeez
you guys wear me the fuck out with your nonsensical arguing for arguments sake.
You just wrote a friggin 2 page thesis that pretty much ignores everything I said (and agrees with half of what I said) simply because you don't like my tone?

The daffodils have officially taken over the world